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hello everyone welcome to periversal

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universe on the inception radio network

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brought to you by the northern wisconsin

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paranormal society limited in the

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northwoods paranormal resource center

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here in rhylander wisconsin

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we're your hosts kevin jennifer mallon

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hello everyone

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and hello to everyone in the iron chat

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room we look forward to your questions

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and comments as always

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ironchat.com is the link

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for the chat room so come join us there

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this next category is cryptozoology

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aquatic cryptozoology to be more

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tonight's topic is the lake monster

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champ

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earlier this year we did a show about

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the 2017

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expedition they were planning in lake

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well tonight's show is about that update

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from that same expedition which has been

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this will be the topic for the next hour

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champ for real

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today's guests have collected possible

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as creatures existence uh

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which we'll be talking about with

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cryptozoologists scott mardis and

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in a minute uh right before we do

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tonight's shout outs

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shout outs go to those folks

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and paranormal teams who have shared our

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show banners and archives this week on

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social media

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uh so jenny who do we have okay so

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we have robert mulder

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lake champlain

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zombie plesiosaur society

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lake monstrosities

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lake champlain mystery animals

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beverly bonen

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walter brooks author of thought christos

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jason bland of paranormal soup

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jose taker

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debbie grassberger schmoll

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howard yodel of the rift

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cindy lou

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of bizarro world

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and ufologist jose cullen

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everyone in the chat room

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awesome thank you so much

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sharing our banners we very much

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appreciate it

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so if you have this if anybody has any

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for our guests

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drop those in the chat room at

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ironchat.com and jennifer will ask our

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as i said our guests are

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cryptozoologists with the zombie

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plesiosaur society scott marquis who has

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been on the show before and william

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who's with us for the first time hello

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welcome to paradise

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good evening thank you

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yes thanks for joining us this evening

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it's good to have you back

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on i would like to say that will and i

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have worked on and off together

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yeah yeah it's been a while i guess i'll

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well i guess uh i know there's a lot you

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why don't we start with the beginning

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give us a little history about uh

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quicken the zombie please restore

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society and leading up to that

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technology that we've been using

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i'll let him

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yeah i've been uh in the uh

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actually a scientific community i'm a

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science technologist for a company

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called patel they're out of columbus

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as well as a facility manager for one of

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the lake stuff for a number of years now

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to the environment and somehow trying to

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um interactions with with these

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creatures um everything that really got

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me started was a bigfoot sighting back

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while metal detecting with two fbi

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agents in the woods of culpepper

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virginia

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um we were 75 feet from the creature saw

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it as clear as day it was during the

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uh ran in front of us the whole sighting

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lasted about 12-13 seconds

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um so when you see something like that

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book of mythology um

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and into your real life it really shakes

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studying the the bigfoot creatures

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developing camera systems

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covert sam camera systems to

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try to catch them

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had some interesting uh photos videos

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things like that but nothing inclusive

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research caught my eye uh that was back

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with uh scott and elizabeth von

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luggenthaler um i was very interested in

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that research and

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i thought uh wow i love boats i love

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start the research on that too so

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one thing led to another met with scott

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really good time up there in new york

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i don't think these creatures in lake

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champlain are out to evade detection at

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all i think they're there and they're

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just a little difficult to find but

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it's been an interesting ride and

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of lake with something like 400 miles of

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and there's a large chunk of the lake

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so this year okay i

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like every time we go out uh we just

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want to do new stuff or try something to

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do last time or maybe tweak something we

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what were the goals going into this

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was like i said the search for

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for something to hide in

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if champ exists whatever they are they

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get stuck and die and it's possible

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shows isolated deposits of sedimentary

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rock around the rim of the lake

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and uh the idea was is to try to go

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any caves like that that are still

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we tried to do a little bit of that but

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existence of these animals

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that would be sandra manzi's famous 1977

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which was taken up somewhere around the

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albert passage in the northern end of

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of the of the photograph so

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ausable river over in new york

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and the olsen video shot at oak ledge

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park in burlington in 2009

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so

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one thing that we were able to do we

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were able to spend two nights

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or a night and two days over at the

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location that the beaudette video

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was filmed

300
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and the best results that we had

301
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uh for this trip

302
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happened over there we got some kind of

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a

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13 feet long

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swam under the boat

306
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and we also

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i heard a few

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uh

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echolocation-like clicking sounds

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on the hydrophones over there so that's

311
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the major

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uh evidence we were able to get this

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trip you know it's still we're still in

314
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the process

315
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of trying to analyze it but those are

316
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the two most promising things

317
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that we got so far

318
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so william like

319
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what equipment what's the exciting

320
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equipment that you guys brought

321
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i should say uh because i know you guys

322
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have uh like

323
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drones and and uh you know underwater

324
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cameras and and all kinds of cool stuff

325
00:13:16,389 --> 00:13:14,720
i wanted to hear about it

326
00:13:18,550 --> 00:13:16,399
yeah well some of the um

327
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some of the equipment was um used in

328
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previous years the

329
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the igacha h2o which is a

330
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sort of an autonomous time lapse camera

331
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that worked well in the past

332
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unfortunately for the two weeks prior to

333
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our

334
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arriving at the lake they had rain just

335
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about every day and every night and uh

336
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the water was so cloudy

337
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um

338
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visibility was about three to three to

339
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six feet uh we measured

340
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um so and that was all the way through

341
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the bottom too it didn't get any better

342
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at all

343
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um so we did deploy the cameras uh the

344
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underwater cameras the time lapse

345
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cameras and those were

346
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designed to be silhouette cameras where

347
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they would be placed um anchored to the

348
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bottom

349
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uh they'd be floating about two to three

350
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four feet above the surface

351
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or above the uh the bottom of the lake

352
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looking up

353
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and what they would do is use the sky as

354
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a background and it would take a

355
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snapshot a photo

356
00:14:19,829 --> 00:14:17,920
every five seconds um

357
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so if you're looking at it from from the

358
00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:22,000
bottom it's a wide-angle lens you're

359
00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:24,240
looking up and seeing the white sky and

360
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anything that swims above it would be a

361
00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:28,639
dark silhouette

362
00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:32,399
we had two of those there at the lake um

363
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the problem was

364
00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:35,519
you didn't see anything

365
00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:38,160
really any sunlight until we brought the

366
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cameras up

367
00:14:44,629 --> 00:14:42,320
um to about six to eight feet and it was

368
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just a very dull

369
00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:48,639
uh greenish brown murky water um

370
00:14:52,470 --> 00:14:50,160
it wasn't really conducive for

371
00:14:53,590 --> 00:14:52,480
underwater photography

372
00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,600
um

373
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you know so we we tried but

374
00:15:01,829 --> 00:14:57,920
conditions weren't there for that um

375
00:15:05,509 --> 00:15:01,839
daddy where do babies come from uh well

376
00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:05,519
uh honey mommy went to the store oh well

377
00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:07,680
you see um well there's a mommy and a

378
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:11,519
daddy right right and c when they call

379
00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:12,639
geico

380
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they could save a bunch of money on car

381
00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:16,720
insurance oh really and that makes them

382
00:15:21,750 --> 00:15:19,120
happy yes that makes them very happy

383
00:15:23,430 --> 00:15:21,760
that's good yeah well i'm glad we could

384
00:15:25,829 --> 00:15:23,440
have this talk sunshine

385
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:25,839
geico because saving 15 or more on car

386
00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:28,800
insurance is always a great answer

387
00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:30,320
you know i was really looking forward to

388
00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:31,920
that for those

389
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,480
in 2014 down at button bay

390
00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,560
yeah the water was fairly clear

391
00:15:44,949 --> 00:15:40,800
yeah yeah the results were good there we

392
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:44,959
had good clarity great images we had um

393
00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:46,800
actually shadows of airplanes that were

394
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:48,959
coming in to land at the grass strip

395
00:15:54,150 --> 00:15:51,600
uh people with kayaks going over uh

396
00:15:56,629 --> 00:15:54,160
boats um i did some testing swimming

397
00:15:58,949 --> 00:15:56,639
over just so i had scale

398
00:16:00,310 --> 00:15:58,959
um to judge and you know it worked out

399
00:16:02,150 --> 00:16:00,320
really well so

400
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:02,160
we tried this trip it just wasn't

401
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:04,320
conducive for that type of thing

402
00:16:07,829 --> 00:16:05,680
we also had a

403
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:07,839
deep 100 foot table with a camera

404
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:09,199
attached

405
00:16:12,790 --> 00:16:10,880
for doing spot

406
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:12,800
videography down below but again the

407
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:14,160
same problem

408
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,079
um we even had a 360 degree nikon camera

409
00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:22,079
that would be transmitting we actually

410
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:24,480
use a wi-fi cable which attached right

411
00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:26,399
to the side of the camera camera it's

412
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,040
also waterproof down to 100 feet um to

413
00:16:32,389 --> 00:16:31,440
view the end view the uh the video up

414
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:32,399
top

415
00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:33,759
um

416
00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:35,680
using the virtual goggles but

417
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:37,040
unfortunately it was the same thing

418
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:38,800
there just there was no clarity in the

419
00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:39,759
water

420
00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:42,160
um that would have been

421
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:44,399
great because of 360 view once you put

422
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:46,560
the goggles on you could look around 360

423
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:48,639
up in the boat just as if you were down

424
00:16:51,670 --> 00:16:49,600
below

425
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:51,680
so there was a good investment in um

426
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:53,600
equipment this year um

427
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:56,079
basically for photography and underwater

428
00:16:59,509 --> 00:16:57,519
videography

429
00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:59,519
unfortunately it wasn't conducive for

430
00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:00,560
that

431
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:03,279
we did have the hydrophone which worked

432
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:04,959
really well

433
00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:08,000
we did get some pretty good audio

434
00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:10,640
i was able to pick up something actually

435
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,640
chewing underwater it was very strange

436
00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:13,919
i've never heard anything like that

437
00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:16,000
before

438
00:17:20,069 --> 00:17:18,400
it's very definite of uh some

439
00:17:22,309 --> 00:17:20,079
something chewing it was a heavy chewing

440
00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:22,319
i'm not sure what it is that's why we're

441
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:23,679
gonna have to take a little bit of time

442
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:25,600
and go through this it's like

443
00:17:31,110 --> 00:17:28,160
there's like five hours of hydrophone

444
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:31,120
recordings that i've yet to go through

445
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:33,760
but i was able to isolate a two-minute

446
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:35,120
sequence

447
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:37,679
that we got the same day that we got the

448
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:38,480
uh

449
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:41,120
the blob on the sonar

450
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:45,520
over at ausable uh river on july 4th

451
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:47,520
can actually try to play that over the

452
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,679
phone if you'd like to hear it i'm not

453
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:51,280
sure how well

454
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:53,360
it'll reproduce over the telephone but i

455
00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:59,750
well you can try i mean put it up yeah i

456
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:01,679
mean

457
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:04,000
well hang on here one of the other

458
00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:06,160
yeah you can go ahead and do that

459
00:18:11,750 --> 00:18:10,240
yeah let me just find it um sure

460
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:11,760
i'll go ahead and fill in when you get

461
00:18:15,270 --> 00:18:13,679
it scott just holler and i'm going to

462
00:18:16,870 --> 00:18:15,280
fill in with a little bit of the sonar

463
00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:16,880
information

464
00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:18,320
all right

465
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:20,640
that's okay

466
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:22,799
the uh yeah one of the the biggest

467
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,039
things was the boat too having the um a

468
00:18:29,430 --> 00:18:27,679
good-sized vessel on the water was key

469
00:18:31,669 --> 00:18:29,440
uh where we could live in it sleep in it

470
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:31,679
um you know it was instead of going

471
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:33,360
ashore camping out all that sort of

472
00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:34,240
thing

473
00:18:39,750 --> 00:18:37,120
um a larger boat does have its problems

474
00:18:42,150 --> 00:18:39,760
um had some issues trailering it up

475
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:42,160
through albany where i lost a it was a

476
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:43,760
triaxial trailer lost a left wheel

477
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:45,280
bearing that took a day and a half to

478
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:46,400
fix

479
00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,080
close to the fourth of july

480
00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:52,480
um but once the the boat got in the

481
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:54,480
water we had some issues with steering

482
00:18:58,549 --> 00:18:56,720
was locked up finally uh it took about a

483
00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:58,559
half a day or so to get that

484
00:19:01,750 --> 00:18:59,919
repaired

485
00:19:02,950 --> 00:19:01,760
uh none of these problems happened uh

486
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:02,960
prior so

487
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:03,679
but

488
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,360
the sonar is a garmin 840 xs

489
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:08,880
and it's a

490
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:11,679
it has a down view inside view sonar uh

491
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,280
the whole system costs about five

492
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:15,280
thousand dollars that's sort of a sort

493
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:17,200
of high end for

494
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:19,440
for that type of application um there's

495
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:20,960
other sonars out there that are in the

496
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:22,880
forty to fifty thousand dollar range but

497
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,679
um

498
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:25,840
the technology has advanced the last

499
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,400
four three to four years uh that this is

500
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:30,640
pretty good stuff for what we're doing

501
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:33,679
um and i have the uh view

502
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:35,039
you got it

503
00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:36,400
yep

504
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:38,720
okay all right let's roll this is like

505
00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:42,000
two minutes so hang in there here you go

506
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:43,200
okay

507
00:19:53,200 --> 00:20:14,290
so

508
00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:20,950
[Applause]

509
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:23,050
okay

510
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:02,590
thank

511
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:20,549
club

512
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,190
yeah the clicks are barely audible

513
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,240
because of the waves i i said i was

514
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,120
like i was like i was able to filter out

515
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,320
there was a engine of a power boat i was

516
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,799
able to filter out that

517
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:36,080
so i don't know if you could hear that

518
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:37,360
very good but

519
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:38,559
oh actually

520
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,320
there was there was a couple times in

521
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,080
there there was a couple times in there

522
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:44,080
where i could hear something clicking

523
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,720
yeah the and what i'm talking about

524
00:21:50,390 --> 00:21:48,799
that's right that's very similar

525
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,400
to the sounds that were recorded by

526
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:52,400
lisbon mugginstaller

527
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:55,039
at lake champlain in 2003

528
00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:56,720
which you probably saw on the monster

529
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,520
quest episode most most of that stuff in

530
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,440
there wasn't uh

531
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,200
or it was uh

532
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,520
like what can you say possible

533
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:07,120
but there was there was a couple times

534
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,480
in there where you can actually tell it

535
00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,799
it sounded very much like at the

536
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,640
location how they click like that and

537
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,120
then yeah well it's the same

538
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,520
the same kind of clicks

539
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:19,600
and that's suspended in the water very

540
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,440
very faint so

541
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:23,760
i would assume that

542
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,880
not bad

543
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,360
you know it was far away much further

544
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:28,559
away

545
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,520
than

546
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:31,440
whatever the source of the sounds that

547
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,280
was mugging taller recorded in 2003. now

548
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,200
we actually went

549
00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:39,440
to one of the places that she recorded

550
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:40,960
her sounds

551
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:44,000
in 2003 at the place called town farm

552
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,200
bay

553
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:47,280
and it's right out from

554
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,799
the marina we were staying out in

555
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,640
charlotte vermont

556
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,240
we went out there and put the underwater

557
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,880
cameras down and i also listened with

558
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,880
the hydrophones but

559
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,360
i didn't get anything at town farm bay

560
00:23:03,190 --> 00:23:00,799
all the sounds

561
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,200
that i was able to hear were over at the

562
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:04,880
australia river where the buddha video

563
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:11,350
so we just head up on our chat screen

564
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,520
picture of the sonar radar

565
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,760
and uh

566
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,039
let's talk about that for a couple

567
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,960
minutes because that's really cool

568
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:22,400
you're talking about the blob that we

569
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,280
got

570
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:25,280
yeah well it's bob

571
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:26,559
blob yeah

572
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,440
well

573
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:29,679
whatever it was it was

574
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:37,510
messy shaped or plesiosaurus shaped

575
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:40,149
one oddball thing about it

576
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,000
if it was

577
00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:44,159
a plesiosaur

578
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,880
you would expect to see

579
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:47,200
[Music]

580
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,720
flippers in a long tail probably with a

581
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:52,799
tail fin because

582
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:54,000
you know what they know about

583
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,919
reconstructing plesiosaurs that's what

584
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,440
they look like

585
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,520
you know you might could say that well

586
00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:01,600
the flippers could be held up against

587
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,960
the body

588
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,480
or underneath you would think you would

589
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:07,440
see a tail there of some sort but

590
00:24:13,990 --> 00:24:11,120
essentially the blob you see there

591
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:14,000
is shaped like a giant snail

592
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,760
in essence which you know some people

593
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:17,760
have theorized

594
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,360
that these creatures could be

595
00:24:22,230 --> 00:24:21,039
invertebrates

596
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,240
rather than

597
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:24,880
some kind of a reptilian animal

598
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,600
um which is not impossible i think it's

599
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,760
less likely

600
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:31,200
you know there's no

601
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,640
known fossil

602
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,840
uh

603
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,279
slug that's

604
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,760
got that big that we know about um how

605
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:38,960
big is that

606
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,640
what size is that

607
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:43,360
13 feet long 12 or 13 feet long i

608
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,840
figured out

609
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:47,440
because if you look at the original

610
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,960
if you look at the original uh sonar

611
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,400
uh

612
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:53,679
screen

613
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,480
you can see on the right side uh it goes

614
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,039
from like zero to 25 feet and then it

615
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,840
goes down to like 62 feet

616
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,240
on the chart and if you take that

617
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:06,400
image and turn it sideways and lay it up

618
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,600
against there

619
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,159
it comes out to about 13 feet long you

620
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,559
know which is fairly large

621
00:25:18,390 --> 00:25:14,720
that's larger than the known

622
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,400
sturgeons and the like they they can get

623
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:21,200
uh seven feet long so

624
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,320
you know

625
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:24,559
that's and and that's interesting that's

626
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,080
that's amazing

627
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,960
yeah um

628
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,279
there are there are you know large

629
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:33,760
pieces of wood debris

630
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,760
in the lake i mean i've seen logs

631
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:37,679
sitting on the beach

632
00:25:41,110 --> 00:25:40,000
20 feet long you know so there's really

633
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,120
large

634
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,720
logs floating around the lake you look

635
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:45,120
around the rim of the lake everywhere

636
00:25:48,310 --> 00:25:46,080
and there's

637
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,320
large pieces of wood debris and some of

638
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:50,320
those wood debris pieces

639
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:53,600
are regularly monster shapes so we can't

640
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:57,919
necessarily rule out it being a large

641
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,159
piece of wood debris but the the eyeball

642
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,440
thing concerning that idea

643
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,679
is that this thing showed up on the

644
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:07,120
sonar

645
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:08,000
and

646
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,080
the time we we didn't even know how to

647
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,400
get a screen chat capture

648
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,039
on the sd card so we only think we

649
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,880
needed to do was to take a photograph of

650
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,640
the screen

651
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:23,039
and we got like i think will took like

652
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,720
five of them

653
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,640
and if you look at the time sequence and

654
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,559
all the different photographs

655
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:30,720
this whole thing happened in like

656
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:33,919
two seconds and it was gone

657
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:36,799
and we were we were anchored at the time

658
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,520
so

659
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,080
it's not like we drifted away from it

660
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:42,960
this thing was in the water column

661
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:46,240
and left now whether it was an inanimate

662
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:49,679
object that got swept out by currents

663
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,880
and disappeared or if it was alive and

664
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,720
hauled ass and left

665
00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:56,640
i don't know but that's what really

666
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:57,679
happened

667
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,039
and the fact that it disappeared so fast

668
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,400
you know and that we didn't see it again

669
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:06,159
and we were anchored there for a long

670
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:08,240
time we eventually drifted later in the

671
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:09,600
evening

672
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,400
the anchorage came loose but but for

673
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,720
several hours after we got the sonar

674
00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:16,000
contact

675
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:18,080
we stayed in the same area

676
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,720
in like 48 feet of water so

677
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:22,480
this thing was gone and we didn't see it

678
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,919
again so

679
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,039
you know

680
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:27,039
that fact right there argues that it

681
00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:29,279
could have been something alive but i

682
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,510
yeah there was some one of the things we

683
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:36,960
that i noticed was

684
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:38,640
what i'm what i would call the neck

685
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,360
again it's speculative at best

686
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:42,960
um there are some differences in

687
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,240
measurement um as it went through the uh

688
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:48,720
the the sonar um

689
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,240
wave it did seem to move a little bit um

690
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,720
but that could also be if it was a log

691
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,399
it could have been rotation

692
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,720
um and we were just catching that

693
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,760
um

694
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,279
so it's it's

695
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,480
you know it

696
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,760
it's up for

697
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,840
the bait but um it was a good it was a

698
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:08,080
good solid hit um i do know that some

699
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:09,360
fish and

700
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,200
uh sturgeon things like that a lot of

701
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:14,080
those uh will reflect a good signal back

702
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:16,320
um but yeah i was concerned too that we

703
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,240
didn't see any of the flippers

704
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:20,640
um but it was just like scott said it

705
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:22,159
was there and

706
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,679
you know we were sort of caught off by

707
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,880
surprise um i don't i don't think it was

708
00:28:31,269 --> 00:28:28,720
a school of fish because it appeared to

709
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,279
be one solid object

710
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,520
yes yeah definitely not a school

711
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,840
you know it had a classic almost messy

712
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,960
profile

713
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:39,120
it had a round body

714
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,320
and then this

715
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:42,640
intersection coming up that that could

716
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:46,000
you know be interpreted as a a neck

717
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,559
and possibly a small head and there was

718
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,799
even a possible indication

719
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,880
of what were like horns you know you

720
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:54,880
hear you know these these animals were

721
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,000
known

722
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,640
by the indians in their mythology as the

723
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,880
great horned serpent

724
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,440
and there are you know isolated reports

725
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,200
of people seeing

726
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,679
horns of snorkel-like objects on top of

727
00:29:12,630 --> 00:29:09,679
the head

728
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,640
so you know that also ties in

729
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:14,559
with the controversial underwater

730
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,559
photograph taken in loch ness back in

731
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,640
1975

732
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,880
of what appears to be

733
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,520
a head with horns or snorkels on top of

734
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,559
it

735
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,120
taken by the academy of applied science

736
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,360
and robert ryan's and his people

737
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:31,279
and people have debated ever since

738
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:33,120
whether that was a

739
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,399
a log or a piece of wood they even

740
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,120
recovered a piece of wood in 1987

741
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,799
near where the photograph was taken that

742
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,480
some people believe it's the object in

743
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,760
the photograph

744
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:45,520
and other people believe that it was the

745
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,799
head of one of the loch ness monsters

746
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:50,799
so you know this is

747
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:52,640
similar to the shape of what you see on

748
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,120
the sonar blob so

749
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:57,360
okay everybody and with that it is time

750
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:59,440
for our first commercial break you are

751
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:01,520
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752
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,750
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753
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:10,080
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754
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,000
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755
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:14,320
chatting with cryptozoologists

756
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,760
scott margies and william ranginis

757
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,679
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758
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,039
like to take a minute and thank

759
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everybody who makes periversal universe

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761
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:27,279
including graphic art designer lauren

762
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stimiza

763
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,039
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764
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,000
million dollars what color is the white

765
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,159
house um

766
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,720
i know this i know this i know this

767
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um five seconds oh

768
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769
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:45,360
bunch of money on car insurance

770
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795
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798
00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,080
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799
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,559
finally ultimate conspiracies which is

800
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,720
pretty much self-explanatory

801
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:58,480
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809
00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:17,760
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810
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,000
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811
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:22,559
newscast uh covering

812
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:25,840
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00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,440
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00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:31,440
so check that out that will be for the

815
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:33,279
month of july

816
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,240
okay

817
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:36,559
let's bring our guests back

818
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:38,960
ready yes

819
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:41,760
are you guys still with us

820
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,760
yes still here

821
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,720
awesome

822
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:45,440
so

823
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:47,519
uh right when we went to commercial

824
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,120
uh we were talking uh during the break

825
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,519
and uh why don't we uh

826
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:55,120
start with that

827
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,640
um

828
00:33:00,310 --> 00:32:58,399
i'll go ahead

829
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,320
yeah um one of the things i we i'd like

830
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:03,200
to add also um you know we're not just

831
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:05,440
taking uh pictures with the sonar

832
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:06,320
um

833
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:08,720
and scott and i are are you know we're

834
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,559
pretty knowledgeable about sonar and the

835
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,039
frequencies and things like that um but

836
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:15,840
we realize that uh there's there's some

837
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:18,399
other possible things in that uh sonar

838
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,279
image

839
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,039
um so what we're doing is actually

840
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,360
taking the images and going right to

841
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,159
garmin i have a contact through garmin

842
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:27,760
he's going to bring it up the chain of

843
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:29,039
command there

844
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,760
so we're going to have some

845
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,679
professionals look at it and try to give

846
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,919
us a better estimate of what it is

847
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,440
uh the density

848
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,120
of the object of the sonar hit so um you

849
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,960
know even though we've got the photos

850
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,640
and things like that we're still trying

851
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,399
to figure out exactly what it is so we

852
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,240
could determine

853
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,320
the makeup and structure and things like

854
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:49,440
that so we're bringing it right to

855
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,039
garmin to let them

856
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,440
um determine what those those radar hits

857
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:55,519
are the interpretive process is every

858
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,440
bit as important as the data gathering

859
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:59,360
process

860
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:00,320
right

861
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,399
yeah and the same thing with the

862
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:04,159
go ahead

863
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,679
no just that that's awesome that's

864
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:07,279
awesome to hear that and that's the

865
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:08,480
thing to do yeah you're right that's

866
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,720
absolutely the thing yeah

867
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,839
and we're also going to be the evidence

868
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,599
in order for the evidence to really mean

869
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,159
something it's got to be properly vetted

870
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,240
and all possible alternative

871
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,720
interpretations other than an animal

872
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,639
have to be explored before you can make

873
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:26,399
the case for it being

874
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:30,079
an animal that we haven't found yet

875
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:32,639
which is good solid yeah

876
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,440
yeah and also the audio um that we have

877
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,760
from the hydrophones uh that's gonna be

878
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:39,520
turned over to a professional because we

879
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,480
do have um wave sounds hitting the boat

880
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:44,800
uh wind sounds from the antennas things

881
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,720
like that also that were transferred

882
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,480
into the water

883
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,960
engine sounds from a distant boat

884
00:34:53,909 --> 00:34:52,399
so we're actually going to have a

885
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:53,919
professional do that

886
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,720
and try to clean it up even better than

887
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,640
what scott did

888
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,400
because the information is there it just

889
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:03,760
has to be extracted yeah the fishes in

890
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,430
right the freshwater drum fish makes

891
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,520
sounds that sounds like a giant bullfrog

892
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,680
croaking

893
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,520
sturgeons can make sounds that sound

894
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,160
like beluga whales chirping sounds

895
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,640
so there's all sorts of you know

896
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,200
possible uh red herrings

897
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,079
in the lake that we know about you know

898
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,400
right yep

899
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:32,160
yeah we did have some issues

900
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,839
initially with the um

901
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,839
what what would have happened uh with

902
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:37,839
the the sd card

903
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,000
um i i thought i had put that into the

904
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,400
unit to do the digital snapshots um from

905
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:44,160
the onto the sd card right from the

906
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,280
monitor

907
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:48,079
um but i neglected to put that in i was

908
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,680
planning on having at least a week to

909
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:52,160
two weeks of sort of sea trials

910
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:53,119
um

911
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,680
to get used to the sonar

912
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,440
but because of some

913
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,839
maintenance work i had done

914
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,520
they sort of messed up a little bit and

915
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:04,160
i had to end up replacing the outdrive

916
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,040
which

917
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:07,280
cost about another two weeks

918
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,200
so it was really once the boat work was

919
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,800
done it was

920
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,400
straight up to the lake i didn't have

921
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,240
any time for any trials

922
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,320
um so we sort of learned as we go but we

923
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:18,560
learned quickly we did fix that problem

924
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:20,560
we got the sd card in there and

925
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,839
throughout the rest of the time of the

926
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,720
lake we did get a lot of images

927
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:26,400
screenshots

928
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,839
through the rest of the lake so we got a

929
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,599
lot of a lot of good stuff it's just a

930
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,040
matter of going through it

931
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:33,359
and having the professionals look at it

932
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,359
and determine what those hits really

933
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,160
really oddball bottom topography too in

934
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:40,640
the deep part of the lake things that

935
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,400
look like you know

936
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,320
castles out of a science fiction movie

937
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,640
or something

938
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,040
you know i'm serious yeah that was that

939
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:50,640
was pretty awesome

940
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,240
yeah i mean they look like castles and

941
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:54,000
all kinds of weird you know and it's

942
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:55,040
it's not

943
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,560
imagining some kind of sea monster

944
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,400
sitting on top of this

945
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,640
weird rock formation you know kind of

946
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,520
romantic yeah

947
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,680
yeah yeah we hit the

948
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:10,240
thunderstorms lightning storms

949
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,839
my god it was a

950
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:14,000
an onslaught of environmental stuff

951
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:16,320
going on up there it was um and remember

952
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,520
pretty amazing weird fog bank

953
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,880
yep

954
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,400
yeah that was yeah that was that was

955
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,160
intense that was uh

956
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,800
actually that was really neat um we got

957
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,800
some good video of that some snapshots

958
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,880
uh that'll be coming out later but uh

959
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,560
yeah we were totally immersed in the fog

960
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,400
bank um

961
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,800
it was it was just amazing how cool how

962
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:38,960
cool the air turned once we got in there

963
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:41,599
uh it was actually pretty cold but um

964
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:43,040
very very eerie when you're when you're

965
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:44,960
looking for a lake monster and you're in

966
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,520
a fog bank it's it's a little scary but

967
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,280
it was fun it was we were enjoyable we

968
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,359
were out the deepest part of the lake i

969
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,079
mean the 400 foot depths

970
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,160
and then we we went to this this

971
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,160
gigantic rock wall they called the

972
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,839
palisades

973
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,079
just breathtaking

974
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:03,680
yeah

975
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,359
lawrence demisa is saying uh that you

976
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,119
guys haven't completed all the work

977
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,880
you've done yet in the past few weeks

978
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,960
it'll probably take you a couple uh uh

979
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:14,720
another couple months to get the results

980
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,920
back yeah exactly i just got back from

981
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:20,000
vermont on wednesday

982
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:22,079
two days ago so i'm just you know i

983
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:23,280
spent

984
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:26,960
uh all day today and probably

985
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,680
half of wednesday

986
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,400
or yesterday and most of the day and

987
00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:34,000
part of wednesday

988
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,400
trying to to you know interpret some of

989
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,520
this stuff to get ready for this program

990
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,359
if you guys want to have us back on a

991
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:43,680
couple of weeks i you know i'm game

992
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:48,150
it was either

993
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,440
get you on now this week or

994
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,680
get you on in uh

995
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,359
the middle of september

996
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:57,200
because everything else is booked so

997
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,240
that's why

998
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:00,000
when i found out it's like oh you know

999
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,599
it would be ideally right we should have

1000
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,160
waited another one but we i understand

1001
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,440
so yeah

1002
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,960
at some point

1003
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,560
well yeah well

1004
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:10,320
well yeah you know whenever you guys

1005
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,040
don't have us back on i'm sure we're

1006
00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:15,680
we're we're up for it so yeah at some

1007
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,720
point

1008
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,200
should have him back on for part two

1009
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:21,200
oh we you know we uh

1010
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,880
you guys are awesome zombie please just

1011
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,280
search society um yeah

1012
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,320
and uh yeah absolutely in fact we want

1013
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,800
you know we want to also do uh

1014
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,400
every year we do a late monstrosity show

1015
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,640
where we just talk about what's going on

1016
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,920
with uh

1017
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,040
um

1018
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:39,200
you know uh

1019
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,520
your aquatic mysteries you know yeah 17

1020
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,680
or whatever so uh

1021
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:48,160
we usually gather a panel for that so

1022
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:49,280
you know

1023
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,160
whatever whatever this blob object was

1024
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,680
it's very important to this whole

1025
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,280
question because

1026
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,160
you know it's it's shaped

1027
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,079
like one of these like monsters if it is

1028
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:02,000
when the lake monsters is an important

1029
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,599
piece of evidence

1030
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,240
if it's not one of these lake monsters

1031
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:08,560
if it's a piece of wood debris it's

1032
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:09,440
still

1033
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:12,560
of coincidentally relevant shape

1034
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,680
and is an example of

1035
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:17,839
natural phenomena that can be mistaken

1036
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,960
for a lake monster so either way

1037
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,200
either interpretation makes it important

1038
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,280
to this whole question

1039
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,599
we totally applaud the effort you guys

1040
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,160
have put into this oh yeah certainly

1041
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,520
absolutely and people don't realize how

1042
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:33,119
long it takes to go through evidence

1043
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,800
once you go and collect it

1044
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,160
uh yeah

1045
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:37,680
yeah it's you know

1046
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,000
you can go with the best

1047
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,200
of equipment and technology and the best

1048
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,720
preparations

1049
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,480
and there's always some

1050
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:48,720
you know unknown factor like mechanical

1051
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:49,920
problems

1052
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,480
all sorts of things

1053
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,000
that can throw a monkey wrench and

1054
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:57,920
everything you know

1055
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,280
um

1056
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:00,800
considering all the things that could

1057
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:02,720
have gone wrong i thought we did pretty

1058
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:09,190
yeah

1059
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:10,160
um

1060
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,440
and you never know when something's

1061
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,680
gonna happen like the the japanese

1062
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:15,599
expedition november

1063
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,160
we got that weird footage of that blob

1064
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:21,040
looking thing coming up trying to take

1065
00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:23,040
that piece of salmon

1066
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,240
you know

1067
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,079
we didn't know about that until we after

1068
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,319
we got back

1069
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,760
and looked at the underwater camera

1070
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,760
footage you know we didn't see that live

1071
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,119
we didn't know about it until after it

1072
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:34,880
happened so

1073
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,440
you just never know you know

1074
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,960
you know just going just you know uh

1075
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,880
getting the boat getting the gear

1076
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,640
understanding how the gear works

1077
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:46,240
understanding the photography of the

1078
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:47,839
lake

1079
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,240
all the factors that are involved going

1080
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,640
out there doing the research

1081
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,040
uh using all the equipment

1082
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,920
uh collecting the data that's i mean

1083
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:59,680
that that is uh

1084
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,319
it's easier said than done and uh yeah

1085
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,160
so we absolutely you know

1086
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:07,200
we no we do we applaud you you know um

1087
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:09,599
we have a uh

1088
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,359
nwps paralogical uh a para crypto

1089
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:16,400
geological expedition coming up and it

1090
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,920
takes a lot of planning i mean them

1091
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:19,040
things are

1092
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,319
of course we're not on the water but

1093
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,000
it's it's the same idea of just going

1094
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:24,240
out and making sure you know trying to

1095
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,680
troubleshoot anything that's gonna

1096
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,599
happen and then you know collecting what

1097
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:29,520
you can and bringing it back and and

1098
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:31,040
hopefully

1099
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:32,000
you'll

1100
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:37,280
well november will mark

1101
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,800
25 years since my first

1102
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,040
trip to lake champlain so that will make

1103
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,960
25 years i've been looking for this

1104
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:45,920
thing

1105
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:49,599
and i've only seen it i think one time

1106
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,720
in 1994. i've never seen anything since

1107
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,520
but

1108
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,920
the one sighting i did have

1109
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,079
you know remains with me and i believe

1110
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,079
it was a weird animal so

1111
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:04,150
yeah okay

1112
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:06,800
um so

1113
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:09,040
i'm sorry go ahead

1114
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,800
oh okay yeah i'll be real quick one one

1115
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,640
thing that was very important um one of

1116
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:14,720
the main reasons too i went up

1117
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,480
was i was very intrigued about the

1118
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,960
beaudette footage um with the abc news

1119
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:21,520
footage um i did some enhancements to

1120
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,119
that um

1121
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:25,119
determined that there was something some

1122
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,880
type of creature down below

1123
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:28,960
that had flippers they were about four

1124
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,240
and a half to five feet long

1125
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,560
they were actually very mobile and they

1126
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,680
provided

1127
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,319
propulsion and direction

1128
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:40,880
in one in one thrust of the flipper

1129
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,079
um but anyway i ended up calling up um

1130
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,680
we got the number uh scott got the

1131
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:47,920
number for the attorney i called him up

1132
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,720
um after a few conversations he invited

1133
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,960
me up to look at the video footage up at

1134
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:54,800
his office in new jersey

1135
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,960
um that was back in december of last

1136
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,280
year and it it was about a three to four

1137
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:00,960
hour trip to get up there

1138
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:04,000
um spent about three hours um talking to

1139
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:05,520
him and his wife and viewing the footage

1140
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,640
and he let me

1141
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,119
control the forward reverse stop all

1142
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:10,480
that sort of stuff

1143
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:11,920
um

1144
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,040
it's the foot the footage is is okay

1145
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,839
it's not that clear there's a lot of uh

1146
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,160
camera movement in and out of focus the

1147
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:22,640
autofocus was on and it was wasn't doing

1148
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,720
a great job

1149
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,960
the batteries were going low

1150
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:28,480
there was a lot of factors involved they

1151
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,839
weren't ready for something like that

1152
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:31,599
they didn't have a

1153
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:34,240
uv filter a polarizer filter on the

1154
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,599
camera at all either it would have made

1155
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,599
for much better footage

1156
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:39,520
but that's that's underwater under the

1157
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,640
bridge really

1158
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:42,400
um but what i saw with the rest of the

1159
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:43,760
video and i'm not going to go into the

1160
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:46,480
exact details uh because i do respect

1161
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,190
what i saw was some type of prehistoric

1162
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:55,040
creature that looks very much like a

1163
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,599
plesiosaur

1164
00:45:03,589 --> 00:44:59,440
and that's

1165
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,599
different parts of the footage it's all

1166
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,119
it's not like it comes out of the water

1167
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,680
and you go wow there's a plesiosaur um

1168
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:10,000
it's everything that's taken

1169
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,800
um separately but once you add up the uh

1170
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,440
the flipper wakes that it produces uh

1171
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,359
the distance between the wakes uh the

1172
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,880
head size the

1173
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,880
the little bow wave

1174
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:23,440
by the head and then also a another bow

1175
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,480
wave

1176
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,960
about a foot or so in front of it uh

1177
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,400
meaning there's something else under the

1178
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:30,079
water that's that's pushing through and

1179
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,359
creating a wake

1180
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,599
um these little things add up and the

1181
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,520
dexterity of the flippers

1182
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,359
to me was the

1183
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,880
was the holy grail there because you

1184
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,119
could see it move you could see it turn

1185
00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:43,119
uh you could see it cup itself and then

1186
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:44,000
push

1187
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,200
and from there um expressions and their

1188
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,200
talking when it was coming towards them

1189
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:51,040
you could you understood that the thing

1190
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,480
was coming towards the boat and they

1191
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,720
were scared and at the last minute it

1192
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:57,040
used its flippers to push down to go

1193
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,400
underneath the boat

1194
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,720
and the body was still on one side of

1195
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,720
the boat where the flippers were

1196
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,480
and from what they said on the video

1197
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,079
what looked like a head coming out the

1198
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,480
other side had a neck uh the beam on

1199
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,440
that boat is about eight feet um six to

1200
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,440
probably around seven eight feet on that

1201
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,880
particular boat so you're talking

1202
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,160
something with a

1203
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:18,000
six to eight foot long neck

1204
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,040
um

1205
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,440
which is amazing in itself so they they

1206
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:24,160
thought it was about 18 to 20 feet long

1207
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,200
um

1208
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,520
they i i was going under the

1209
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:29,520
assumption i tried to get them to let me

1210
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,960
enhance it i do a lot of video

1211
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,640
enhancement work and have some

1212
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:35,119
specialized equipment for that

1213
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,319
and that's what got me in the door in

1214
00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:38,640
the first place but once they sent the

1215
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,720
nda agreement non-disclosure agreement

1216
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:43,040
to me um

1217
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,800
it was uh very direct and

1218
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:48,880
um

1219
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,560
it wasn't something i wanted to sign i

1220
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:52,160
didn't feel comfortable doing it i'm in

1221
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:53,680
this for

1222
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,200
uh you know sort of the science but

1223
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,800
you know when you when you sign a legal

1224
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,000
document

1225
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,440
anything could happen and i'm just not

1226
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,760
going to put myself in jeopardy uh for

1227
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:06,480
any reason um

1228
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,280
uh and it was i was upset that i

1229
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:11,280
couldn't sign it but i know how those

1230
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:13,520
documents work and if if something leaks

1231
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,880
out um you'll be the first one they uh

1232
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,359
send the certified letters to so

1233
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:21,839
um well maybe decline maybe with further

1234
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:23,760
further negotiations you might be able

1235
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,960
to work these problems out i hope so

1236
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,359
yeah yeah i have the request in that i

1237
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,760
could go up to use their computer

1238
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:33,599
to do the enhancements and things so i

1239
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,319
don't take any hard copies with me or

1240
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:38,160
electronic files with me they stay right

1241
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,760
there because that's the thing if

1242
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,599
a file gets lost or

1243
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:43,200
hacked or something it gets out there

1244
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:45,200
and it has to do with that you know it's

1245
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:47,040
a lawsuit and i don't want to go through

1246
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,920
that

1247
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,839
i don't blame you so but the door is

1248
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:52,000
still open uh i let them know they they

1249
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,599
know what they have

1250
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:54,960
there's a few things that they didn't

1251
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,560
know that were on the film that i

1252
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,800
suggested and they were pretty excited

1253
00:48:01,349 --> 00:48:00,240
going wow we didn't even notice that

1254
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:01,359
before

1255
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,160
so

1256
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,079
hopefully it will keep the door open and

1257
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:06,079
be able to do some more um enhancement

1258
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,520
with that footage but

1259
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,880
um

1260
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,480
it's and that's that was our thing to

1261
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,079
try to get more footage

1262
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,240
um unfortunately the the water clarity

1263
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:17,119
was terrible and um the creatures didn't

1264
00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,119
present themselves but uh yeah we tried

1265
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:21,359
we definitely gave it our best shot we

1266
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:23,920
learned a lot

1267
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,079
there's a lot of other possibilities um

1268
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,160
designing

1269
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,760
automated systems

1270
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,680
uh autonomous recording systems that

1271
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:33,040
could be dropped and left there for a

1272
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,119
month or two which would be the way to

1273
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,480
go for uh doing um hydrophone recording

1274
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:39,680
where you don't have to be there

1275
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:41,280
listening and recording on the boat you

1276
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:43,200
just drop these things in the water come

1277
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:44,720
back a month later retrieve them

1278
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,280
download the audio and go from there so

1279
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:49,359
it's it's been a learning curve

1280
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:50,319
um

1281
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,160
really getting out in the water is huge

1282
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,240
uh instead of on the shore we learned

1283
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,160
quite a bit uh we also hit all the

1284
00:48:58,870 --> 00:48:57,839
mechanical problems with the boat the

1285
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,880
trailer

1286
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,200
um but you know we ironed out a lot of

1287
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:02,880
those things so

1288
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,880
the evolution is there and

1289
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,480
we're you know it's

1290
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:08,400
it's got a bright future for research up

1291
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,280
there

1292
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:11,520
well the plan is to return at some point

1293
00:49:14,549 --> 00:49:12,800
maybe not

1294
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:14,559
next year but

1295
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,400
sometime the next couple of years

1296
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,720
at the latest i would hope

1297
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,920
yeah it would be a lot quicker if

1298
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:22,079
somebody provided financing

1299
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,960
um

1300
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,280
yeah you know the the repairs for the

1301
00:49:29,829 --> 00:49:28,160
boat the um the trip up there the time

1302
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:29,839
off of work

1303
00:49:33,670 --> 00:49:31,839
it's expensive it's very expensive to do

1304
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:33,680
that type of research but

1305
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,680
you know it was time it was time to go

1306
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:37,200
up there the boat we had all the

1307
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,160
equipment

1308
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,160
everything was right

1309
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,160
but still we lost about

1310
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:44,800
50 of the time because of problems and

1311
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,440
weather and things like that

1312
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,880
we weren't able it was successful

1313
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,880
overall

1314
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:52,640
the place that dick rainer thought the

1315
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,440
nancy picture was taken in the boat

1316
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:57,040
but i was able to get up there with a

1317
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,720
friend of mine with a drone camera and

1318
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,559
we did fly over it

1319
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,480
with a drone camera and got some

1320
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,480
photographs and footage i'm still

1321
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:06,079
waiting to get the video from him i've

1322
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,200
got some of the

1323
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:09,119
images

1324
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,920
and the other thing is i was also able

1325
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:14,720
to go down to where the olsen video was

1326
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,200
filmed at oak ledge park

1327
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:19,520
as the sun was coming up just in case to

1328
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,480
see if

1329
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:22,960
this thing might pop up again

1330
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,359
because the original video was shot

1331
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,440
around daybreak as the sun was coming up

1332
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,319
so i did manage to

1333
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:32,400
investigate both of those other two

1334
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:33,440
areas

1335
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,960
besides the beaudette location too so

1336
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:38,559
yeah

1337
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,160
so we have a question for you both from

1338
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:43,680
the chat room

1339
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:46,559
do they speak with other researchers i.e

1340
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:53,829
i know about it i i haven't had any

1341
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,760
contact with the researchers that are

1342
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,200
working on it though

1343
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:59,359
i was actually going to ask you guys uh

1344
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,280
you know i think that's like norman

1345
00:51:06,710 --> 00:51:03,760
you're talking about right

1346
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,720
yes it's like norman yep yeah this is

1347
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:09,040
man-made by the way too

1348
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,480
i was going to ask you guys yeah

1349
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,119
reservoir i think it's maybe

1350
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,200
60 years old

1351
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,960
yeah something like that

1352
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,160
yeah

1353
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,400
i was gonna ask you guys if i

1354
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,520
if you yeah have you ever talked about

1355
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,880
uh possibly

1356
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,040
um picking one another one of these

1357
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:29,440
lakes and going after like uh uh you

1358
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,720
know uh ogopogo or you know like the

1359
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,720
north carolina

1360
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,359
there are several places

1361
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,119
here in florida

1362
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,280
that i would like to investigate if i

1363
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,319
can just hook up with the right people

1364
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:46,400
cryptozoology people here in florida

1365
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,559
like there's uh

1366
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,559
the monster they call peaky of the saint

1367
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:52,000
john's river

1368
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:53,520
which sounds like a long-necked

1369
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,319
plesiosaur type creature that may be

1370
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,319
coming in at jacksonville from the ocean

1371
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,160
and coming up occasionally into the st

1372
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,760
john's river

1373
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:04,400
and about 60 miles north of there in

1374
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:05,599
georgia

1375
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,520
is another river called the altamaha

1376
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:08,720
river

1377
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:11,280
where they also report a long-necked

1378
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:12,800
plesiosaur-type

1379
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,079
creature

1380
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:15,760
that's seen there very often i'd like to

1381
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,400
investigate both of those places at some

1382
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,640
point but you know i've been doing the

1383
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:22,559
champ thing for so long i'd like to

1384
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:24,559
stick it at that is my main thing for

1385
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,599
the time being you know but

1386
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,520
um

1387
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:31,520
at lake in montana i'd also like to

1388
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,240
investigate it has a long history

1389
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:36,319
of reports

1390
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,520
we have uh

1391
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,119
we have

1392
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:40,640
pep pepe

1393
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,950
which is essentially an enlargement of

1394
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,200
the mississippi river

1395
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:51,200
right right exactly yeah

1396
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,000
yeah

1397
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,000
of course you got like superior and like

1398
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:57,280
lawrence is saying uh ohio in lake erie

1399
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,400
of course blake erie bessie yeah long

1400
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,280
history of sightings there too

1401
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,440
so we had one time

1402
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,359
the great lakes and the champlain sea

1403
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,839
were all connected in one piece

1404
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:11,599
and they were connected to a larger lake

1405
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,880
to the west of that glacial lake agassiz

1406
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:17,040
which stretched all the way to alberta

1407
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:21,190
so

1408
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:22,559
the last couple of minutes we have left

1409
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:25,440
because time flies so fast too fast um

1410
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:27,040
way too fast yes

1411
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:29,440
uh we're going to ask now you guys do

1412
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,200
have a a

1413
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,520
page on facebook right a group page

1414
00:53:39,030 --> 00:53:36,720
group yes yes it's called uh

1415
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:39,040
champ lake champlain monster research by

1416
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:40,839
scott martis william

1417
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:43,599
jorgensen okay and then you also have

1418
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,760
zombie please resource society

1419
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:47,839
yeah and then there's another

1420
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,400
uh page called lake champlain mystery

1421
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:52,720
animals which i started

1422
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,720
probably about five years ago somewhere

1423
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,720
in there

1424
00:54:02,470 --> 00:53:57,839
awesome

1425
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,870
there's a documentary alexander petticov

1426
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:06,480
is making for

1427
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:09,520
uh small town monsters about champ and

1428
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:11,040
we're gonna be on that there was some

1429
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:12,079
footage

1430
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,480
shot with us out on the lake

1431
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:17,200
and i will also be speaking at creature

1432
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:21,599
weekend in october and on cambridge ohio

1433
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,960
oh nice yeah yeah awesome

1434
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,839
yeah

1435
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,640
um who was on the team

1436
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,920
when you guys were out there was it just

1437
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,000
you and william or

1438
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,920
is there any uh what

1439
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,599
i i i couldn't hear a part of that

1440
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,119
what'd you say again

1441
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,839
um your expedition team

1442
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,520
uh were there any other members besides

1443
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:44,079
you and william any shout outs

1444
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,200
to uh

1445
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,359
kenny elizabeth went out with us one day

1446
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,950
yeah and my friend jason warfice who

1447
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,359
does bigfoot research in vermont

1448
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,040
assisted me

1449
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:59,440
and also had some help from my friend

1450
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,800
john cronin

1451
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,640
who's also interested in bigfoot in

1452
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:04,960
vermont he had a boat we went on his

1453
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,400
boat one day to try to get over to cave

1454
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:10,160
island

1455
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:13,920
and uh we took a trip down to whitehall

1456
00:55:18,790 --> 00:55:16,400
new york to visit

1457
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,800
paul bartholomew who investigates

1458
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:20,880
bigfoot in white hall

1459
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:24,000
and um we hit some various places

1460
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:25,520
historical

1461
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:27,599
champ sites

1462
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,079
uh going down there and coming back like

1463
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,040
we we stopped at a place called dresden

1464
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,400
new york

1465
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,920
which is down the southern end of the

1466
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:36,960
lake

1467
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,920
and in 1873 this is where the first

1468
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,119
major

1469
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:43,440
champ flap happened

1470
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,480
it's just a little north of whitehall so

1471
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,440
yeah you know um

1472
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,440
but that was most most of the stuff out

1473
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:54,720
on the boat was me and will yeah

1474
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:55,440
well

1475
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:58,000
it's awesome we're uh

1476
00:56:00,829 --> 00:55:59,440
william scott we're so glad that you

1477
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,839
guys came on the show this

1478
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:03,359
evening well thank you for having us

1479
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:05,440
yes thank you very much yeah it was

1480
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,040
great having you both on and thank you

1481
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:08,960
for sharing all of your information we

1482
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,000
really appreciate it yes and we will

1483
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:14,000
we will find a way to get you guys back

1484
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:15,200
on

1485
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,079
for part two yeah for a part to it

1486
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:19,920
sure that would be good to put a closure

1487
00:56:24,309 --> 00:56:21,680
to a lot of the research so

1488
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,319
uh you know we could move on

1489
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,319
sure absolutely

1490
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,799
uh this week we have paranormal blender

1491
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,920
which is uh paranormal news

1492
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:33,520
and uh

1493
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,400
so

1494
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,280
join us for that that's at ten o'clock

1495
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,559
uh

1496
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:40,480
pm central time

1497
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:44,160
friday night on inception radio network

1498
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,680
to the

1499
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,280
believe it or evidence is overwhelming

1500
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,960
and to the skeptic there will never be

1501
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,000
enough